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Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 07:31:00 - [1] Originally by: Daakkon this is a horrible idea I agree with Daakkon and not just because he owes me 50M isk. People will now only travel around in large groups resulting in the removal of small-scale warfare. Alliances will be completely unable to defend their territory from solo-miners, invading forces, and you won't even be able to see alliance friends in local which means massive channels will have to be created so that people can repeatedly asking "Errrr, anyone in FUQT-UP"? To put it simply, you can't fight people who you can't find. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 07:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Daakkon this is a horrible idea I agree with Daakkon and not just because he owes me 50M isk. People will now only travel around in large groups resulting in the removal of small-scale warfare. Alliances will be completely unable to defend their territory from solo-miners, invading forces, and you won't even be able to see alliance friends in local which means massive channels will have to be created so that people can repeatedly asking "Errrr, anyone in FUQT-UP"? To put it simply, you can't fight people who you can't find. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 08:44:00 - [3] i have a question for those are for this idea: what makes you think this will allow you to sneak up on anyone? People will now just deply scouts at cross-systems or important systems which have to be passed through to reach them. In effect, they will now rely on scouts for much more detail and quicker information than the map could've provided previously. sure, you could kill the scout but it won't take much to set up bm's 1000's of kilometres away - it still allows them to see you coming in relative safety. In the end, this will acheive NOTHING for pvp but EVERYTHING for solo miners. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 08:44:00 - [4] i have a question for those are for this idea: what makes you think this will allow you to sneak up on anyone? People will now just deply scouts at cross-systems or important systems which have to be passed through to reach them. In effect, they will now rely on scouts for much more detail and quicker information than the map could've provided previously. sure, you could kill the scout but it won't take much to set up bm's 1000's of kilometres away - it still allows them to see you coming in relative safety. In the end, this will acheive NOTHING for pvp but EVERYTHING for solo miners. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 11:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 18/07/2004 11:09:32 Originally by: Sinist Edited by: Sinist on 18/07/2004 09:03:15 Joshua. I think you have proved yourself for the last year that you are just a forum spamming crazy person. Why do you insist on arguiing in a dev blog post? Why do you have to argue with everyone who doesnt agree with you? Get over yourself. We understand where you are coming from. We know you dont like the idea. Stop whining please. Gawd. If I was to argue with people who agreed with me I'd look very foolish indeed, wouldn't I? Originally by: Sinist Scouts are a good thing. On the other hand alliances arent going to know that there is for example lone miners out in no mans land unless they go there. They arent going to maybe notice a cloaked fleet warp through. It is going to make these regional alliances work a little harder in that they cant claim 98% of the space in 0.0 because all they have to do is use pilot in space map and go and find whoever is in their region. This way they will only be able to "hold" a few systems and have to work at defending the rest or keeping it closed space. Valid point but it also works the other way - alliances won't know where to attack other alliances without EXTREME hard work and, when they do find them, they'll all be hugging each other in one system. I guarentee it will happen- we will get SO many flames, whines, complaints about "X Alliance" continually outblobbing each other. Originally by: Sinist I bet you didnt think about cloaking huh. I mean now a blob is going to have to set down mobile warp disruptors and anti cloaking ships at the gates to make sure noone gets by. Brilliant idea I think. Stop whining. I honestly just wish you would quit the game Mr Calvert because you are advacating against a good idea. I would rather see people like you go find another game. Hi, are you telling me every ship in a fleet will be cloaked to avoid scouts? Scouts will now be used far more exensively and will, in truth, cancel out these changes. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 11:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 18/07/2004 11:09:32 Originally by: Sinist Edited by: Sinist on 18/07/2004 09:03:15 Joshua. I think you have proved yourself for the last year that you are just a forum spamming crazy person. Why do you insist on arguiing in a dev blog post? Why do you have to argue with everyone who doesnt agree with you? Get over yourself. We understand where you are coming from. We know you dont like the idea. Stop whining please. Gawd. If I was to argue with people who agreed with me I'd look very foolish indeed, wouldn't I? Originally by: Sinist Scouts are a good thing. On the other hand alliances arent going to know that there is for example lone miners out in no mans land unless they go there. They arent going to maybe notice a cloaked fleet warp through. It is going to make these regional alliances work a little harder in that they cant claim 98% of the space in 0.0 because all they have to do is use pilot in space map and go and find whoever is in their region. This way they will only be able to "hold" a few systems and have to work at defending the rest or keeping it closed space. Valid point but it also works the other way - alliances won't know where to attack other alliances without EXTREME hard work and, when they do find them, they'll all be hugging each other in one system. I guarentee it will happen- we will get SO many flames, whines, complaints about "X Alliance" continually outblobbing each other. Originally by: Sinist I bet you didnt think about cloaking huh. I mean now a blob is going to have to set down mobile warp disruptors and anti cloaking ships at the gates to make sure noone gets by. Brilliant idea I think. Stop whining. I honestly just wish you would quit the game Mr Calvert because you are advacating against a good idea. I would rather see people like you go find another game. Hi, are you telling me every ship in a fleet will be cloaked to avoid scouts? Scouts will now be used far more exensively and will, in truth, cancel out these changes. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 14:18:00 - [7] I'm really not convinced this will change anything. I'm VERY convinced this will cause more people to blob up, more people to use real scouts without relying on map (i.e giving more updated information than the map currently gives), regions that are claimed are much too big to scout completely (please stop giving real life comparison with real warfare), you'll never ever find a mining op without spending hours and hours jumping from system to system searching each dead-end, every nook and cranny, and in the long run it will get very boring trying to find anyone to find. It will result in two opposing forces scouting each other out with alts, discovering where each other are, and yet again huge boring time-wasting build ups that result in the exact same blobs as before. Removing local just doesn't make sense - the change will result in nothing more than having a couple of alts at heypoints, logging in, scanning the system, and discovering who is there. I'm all for changing the map features but a removal of pilots in space? Nah. Make it slower to update - thats all you need in order to mount swift attacks. It is already possible currently but a delay will make it a real bonus to be a fast-moving hit squad. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 14:18:00 - [8] I'm really not convinced this will change anything. I'm VERY convinced this will cause more people to blob up, more people to use real scouts without relying on map (i.e giving more updated information than the map currently gives), regions that are claimed are much too big to scout completely (please stop giving real life comparison with real warfare), you'll never ever find a mining op without spending hours and hours jumping from system to system searching each dead-end, every nook and cranny, and in the long run it will get very boring trying to find anyone to find. It will result in two opposing forces scouting each other out with alts, discovering where each other are, and yet again huge boring time-wasting build ups that result in the exact same blobs as before. Removing local just doesn't make sense - the change will result in nothing more than having a couple of alts at heypoints, logging in, scanning the system, and discovering who is there. I'm all for changing the map features but a removal of pilots in space? Nah. Make it slower to update - thats all you need in order to mount swift attacks. It is already possible currently but a delay will make it a real bonus to be a fast-moving hit squad. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 21:26:00 - [9] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Quote: you'll never ever find a mining op without spending hours and hours jumping from system to system searching each dead-end, every nook and cranny, and in the long run it will get very boring trying to find anyone to find. He said the other map features weren't going to be messed with, so, assuming the bugged NPCs destroyed map is fixed, finding miners should still be possible Hmmmmm, ok, that sounds good. I'm starting to become more amenable to the idea but I still think it could have a lot of drawbacks that we haven't perceived yet.... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.18 21:26:00 - [10] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Quote: you'll never ever find a mining op without spending hours and hours jumping from system to system searching each dead-end, every nook and cranny, and in the long run it will get very boring trying to find anyone to find. He said the other map features weren't going to be messed with, so, assuming the bugged NPCs destroyed map is fixed, finding miners should still be possible Hmmmmm, ok, that sounds good. I'm starting to become more amenable to the idea but I still think it could have a lot of drawbacks that we haven't perceived yet.... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 20:29:00 - [11] Hmmmmmmmm. What is the point of removing local if you're just going to introduce a system wide scanner? Leave local in and spent time refining the scanner for easier safespot finding. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 20:29:00 - [12] Hmmmmmmmm. What is the point of removing local if you're just going to introduce a system wide scanner? Leave local in and spent time refining the scanner for easier safespot finding. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:13:00 - [13] Sorry, Bob, I'm still not convinced removing local is such a good idea. All it does is introduce a permanent login-gank situation. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:13:00 - [14] Sorry, Bob, I'm still not convinced removing local is such a good idea. All it does is introduce a permanent login-gank situation. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:20:00 - [15] I hope we all have fun doing 50 jumps "scouting" for something to shoot at, then. If you're lucky enough to find anything that is. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:20:00 - [16] I hope we all have fun doing 50 jumps "scouting" for something to shoot at, then. If you're lucky enough to find anything that is. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:26:00 - [17] What about undocking in 0.0? Are we expected to have an alt with us at all times? Imagine how bored we'll get of being killed during the "Loading space" screen when undocking...... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.19 21:26:00 - [18] What about undocking in 0.0? Are we expected to have an alt with us at all times? Imagine how bored we'll get of being killed during the "Loading space" screen when undocking...... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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